Talk:Bethsoft Tutorial Layout

About the Original Author

Daryl Brigner is a level designer at Bethesda Game Studios. Daryl designed several of the levels in Fallout 3 including Super-Duper Mart, Springvale Elementary, and The Capitol Building.

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COC Vault 74?

I have been trying to get any of the mods load (I do not get errors when I specify which files to load) so that I could walk through and check for problems etc, I cannot seem to get the game to run any modules using the COC MODNAME command, I get a syntax error on line one, script not compiled and run error. Am I missing something here?

You should not COC to your plugin name. You should COC to your cell name. If you followed this tutorial it would be "COC Vault74a".

--Dbrigner 15:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

This was a permissions issue, solved by setting the run as administrator checkbox on the fallout3exe. and fallout3launcher.exe

--Cyris90 10:06, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Whenever I type in COC vault74a it doesn't say anything and closes off the console back to the game. Is there something I'm doing wrong? It does the same when i type in coc vault 108. Can someone help? R!s!ng-Dev!l 17:30, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I was wondering if perhaps some more information on the COC Marker should be added. I saw the block quote on the main page about it, but it was difficult as a new user to locate the actual marker. Perhaps putting in a path for it or maybe a small paragraph would be appropriate considering how critical of an element it is for testing would be in order? Let me know what you think before I do anything.

--CobaltLion 20:59, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Create New Object?

I've been digging around for an object I can use to widen the gallery and can't seem to find one. Are there any ceiling only room objects anywhere? Also, will there eventually be a tutorial to cover creating new room objects? [I know, yes and I'll keep looking if there already is one].

There are no pieces to widen the two story pieces of the vault galley. It was designed to only be two tiles wide in the middle part.

Making new pieces is a whole different skill set. This is not something that's done in the GECK. This is done with 3D creation tools like 3DS Max, or Maya.

--Dbrigner 15:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

You could take the VRmMidR01 piece, and remove the top part of that piece in Photoshop or whatever you would use to do that sort of thing, I think that would be the easiest solution for you.

--Cyris90 10:09, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Piece Question

On the other side of the galley area on the top floor, is there supposed to be a piece that matches up with the round window at the end of the galley so you can see out into the galley from that room? I can't seem to find one that will fit. I have VRmWallR02 there at the moment, but it seems I need a similar piece but with a small round window.

No, it's a flat window. Only the large "overseer office" pieces that are 9x9 fits the round window, I noticed. /Mirar 09:03, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

--Wjousts 04:29, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

I think you just have the wrong wall piece, the proper peice that has a matching piece for the other side of the wall has an oval window, not round

--Cyris90 21:24, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Deleted Piece ?

I'm building this area now, however I have an issue, the Piece "VGalleyRailingBridgeR01" cannot be inserted as it says "Object has been deleted", this happens when I drag it from the Object Window into the Render Window, and when I do a CTRL + F to find the item, it doesn't even show up. Advice?

Daworm 02:23, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

COC Marker Problem

You can only place one COC Marker per cell. If you try to place a second one it won't work. Use the "Filter" text box above the object list and type "COC" and it should show you if you already have a COC Marker in your cell or not.
-Dbrigner

Further explanation needed on how to place a Coc Marker I've tried and I've tried, can't get it to place...
-KangarooSoap

I can't place one either. Actually, I can't even find any COCMarker. I can find a COCMarkerHeader, which probably is the right thing to use, but I can't place those anyway. :p
-Mirar 17:03, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Solved it by copy-pasting a COCMarkerHeader from another location.

--Mirar 20:11, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, you could copy and paste one from a different cell. You are only supposed to have one COCMarkerHeading per cell. When you are having trouble putting one in your cell double check the cell (by using the Filter text box above the Objects list) to make sure you don't already have one.

--Dbrigner 15:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Same problem. Definitely not able to place COCMarkerHeader by dragging and dropping from the Object window. Definitely no other COCMarkerHeaders present in cell (used the Filter text box as described and scrolled list to be sure). Had the same problem in the CS with NorthMarkers, and used the same technique to solve it: Ctrl-D to duplicate the tile that you want to place the COCMarkerHeader on and use Ctrl-F to find and replace the duplicate tile with the COC marker. Truant 21:22, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Same problem for me. Cannot drop a COCMarkerHeader by dragging from the Object Window, had to copy and paste from another cell. However, now upon loading my tutorial package I am given an error message saying I have more than one CoCMarker when only one shows up In the cell view Pane. Any assistance on this would be appreciated.--Slackee 16:12, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Possible Grid Problems?

I am on the stairway step, but my editor seems to position the stairs in a different place to the images provided. Here is what mine looks like:

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Is this a problem tutorial-side, or is just me being dumb in some way?

-Nextil - (talk) 22:10, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I solved this by changing the grid resolution to 128, but this is still a problem, unless I'm missing something.

-Nextil - (talk) 22:14, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I've changed this in the tutorial. There may be times that you need to drop the grid snap down to fit certain objects in. You can even work on a 128 or 64 grid snap for the whole tutorial if you want. The basic thing that we want to get across is that you should work on some sort of snap almost all the time while doing your basic layout.

Dbrigner 15:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

If the "My first vault" tutorial mentions to set the Snap Grid to 256 and Snap Angle to 45, How come this Screenshot shows a different setting? Confused me, as when I drag the first Static Reference Object's copy sideway so it's snap tot he original Static object "perfectly"(as asked in the tutorial) well, it doesn't. It goes in an upper-right diagonal direction... -chuckles-

You can use anything from a 256 grid to 32 if you need to. It's up to you. Most of this tutorial layout can be done on a 256 grid, if you start with that, but some pieces will require dropping to 128 or 64.

Dbrigner 16:12, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm having trouble with the cavetransvault piece. No matter how I place it or what Grid Snap setting I use, either a. it clips b. it leaves a gap or c. both with the vault door frame thingy. Am I doing something wrong? Or am I just being to much of a perfectionist?

--7th Keeper 07:39, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I think it is supposed to clip a little... mine does and it ends up looking quite nice in game. Sometimes you may find that a little clipping is actually the perfect way to make something look right. A fridge looks better sunken a little into the floor than floating a little above it for instance.

Pgrandstaff 01:03, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Rotating: Cells does not align properly

When I right click on a cell, it can be rotated. However, when I rotate a cell, sometimes it does not align to the other cell properly and thus making spaces and overlays. See this picture. How can I solve cell not being aligned properly problems?

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--FuzzMaster 00:09, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Use Snap to Angle (Ctrl-Q):

--Qazaaq 00:22, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

I tried the Snap to Angle icon...I did not help...Some cells simply cannot align together. I made a video to demonstrate my problem in action. It is not only problem with junctioning 4 way hall with 1 way hall. This problem occurred in other combinations as well.

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Suggestions, anyone?

--FuzzMaster 11:55, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Please indent once more than the comment you're replying to and sign with ~~~~ (this will be replaced with your name, and the time/date you posted the comment).

As for the problem. Pieces you placed already and are rotated without anglesnap still won't fit. You'll have to either duplicate a piece that's rotated correctly or drag and drop a new piece from the Object Window. The latter will only work if the pieces you're trying to align to are not rotated without anglesnap.

--Qazaaq 12:24, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

I too think that the pieces you're using has been rotated (freely) before, and then it makes it really hard to fit them again. Drag a new piece from the object list and make sure you always have snap to angle on when working with pieces.

--Mirar 09:42, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

You can reset a references orientation quickly by double clicking the reference then clicking the "Reset" button on the top right (In the "3D Data" window). Once this is done if you turn on Angle Snap you shouldn't have any problem rotating and snapping pieces together.

--Dbrigner 20:49, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Deleting NavMesh

The very first time I tried this tutorial I successfully deleted the NavMesh first time without an issue. I didn't save what I was doing and closed my program. Coming back the second time, I cannot remove the NavMesh, I have saved / reopened / deleted / re-duplicated and even re-installed GECK still without any luck. Advice? Daworm 04:06, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Got it, double clicked on the NavMesh entry and then did the remove. Kinda annoying that. Daworm 04:10, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Rotating a door marker

I have had one hell of a time trying to figure out the command for this. You cannot open up a properties menu for a door marker, so how do you do it? I know that the "Z,X,Y" commands allow you to move objects more easily, is there a command for rotating objects? I canNOT find it when searching the GECKKenji 03 16:25, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

In the Oblivion CS it was "hold down the axis key and drag right-click". Pretty sure that's what it is in the GECK, too.

DragoonWraith · talk · 19:05, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Missing pipes above the railings

Maybe I was the only one to notice this, as I had never paid much attention in game, but 3/4 of the pipes which are part of the Galley Railing package do not connect to anything on the ends. The VGalleyEnd - LR01 and RR01 - do not have this upper pipe, and the windowed options only have this pipe on the upper right. This leaves a free-standing pipe (visible in the normal game, as I visited vault 108's galley to see if it had the same) which is killing my OCD. It took some time to locate the correct piece to end the double pipes on the upper north floor of the galley. This should probably be noted in the text.. since it was a difficult find. Are these free-floating pipes part of the charm, or unintentional? And could someone direct to info on finding these textures for editing, since I'm frothing to make a free-floating pipe section to fix the look? Side note - Overlapping a regular rail bit doesn't work out. Try it and see for yourself the magic it creates. Niphty 05:19, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Unnamed Objects

I would just like to add the unnamed object names not listed on this picture

The Cave Entrance and Utility portions of Vault 74.

As mentioned in the tutorial, the unmarked door node is VURmWallExSmR01, VURmBoothWallWindowR01 works well for the booth wall, stairs are VURmSunkenStairsR01.

The piece to the right of VURmMidR01 is called VURmColR01 and the wall section below that is called VURmWall03R.

Also to the left of VURmBoothWallWindowR01 is VURmBoothExitR01 and the wall behind that (which is duplicated) is called VURmBoothWallR01.

Took me a while to figure that out lol --Jenkins 15:38, 11 August 2009 (UTC)